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		<title>By: rightcoast</title>
		<link>http://thesociologicalimagination.com/2009/11/01/somalia-libertarian-paradise/#comment-865</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Matt

&quot;I think that the implication of the Austrians make with their research, that this proves that no government is better than government, is fallacious.&quot;

That&#039;s not the point in it&#039;s entirety. Leeson&#039;s paper specifically addresses this.

&quot;Although a properly constrained government may be superior to statelessness, it is not true that any government is superior to no government all. DeLong and Shleifer (1993), for instance, find that
in pre-industrial Europe, countries without unified governments performed better in some ways ...&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Matt</p>
<p>&#8220;I think that the implication of the Austrians make with their research, that this proves that no government is better than government, is fallacious.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the point in it&#8217;s entirety. Leeson&#8217;s paper specifically addresses this.</p>
<p>&#8220;Although a properly constrained government may be superior to statelessness, it is not true that any government is superior to no government all. DeLong and Shleifer (1993), for instance, find that<br />
in pre-industrial Europe, countries without unified governments performed better in some ways &#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://thesociologicalimagination.com/2009/11/01/somalia-libertarian-paradise/#comment-863</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure you can say that Somalia doesn&#039;t have any government, just because there is no UN-sanctioned central government. As you mentioned, Somalia is currently run by regional Warlords, and those warlords definitely use coercion to get what they want (Austrian Economists tend to attribute all government action to coercion). The difference is that the &quot;Central Government&quot; of Somalia  was imposed upon the country by outside forces to rule a heterogeneous region that was artificially created by those same outside forces (this is the problem in much of Africa and some parts of the Middle East), and the warlords, as corrupt and coercive as they may be, were placed more endogenously and organically and were more suited to govern their own little homogeneous regions.

This seems to be a case of wrong government vs. right government, rather than government vs no government.

Furthermore, I think that the implication of the Austrians make with their research, that this proves that no government is better than government, is fallacious. While I do tend to believe that some government is better than no government, there can be such a line of ineffectiveness and corruption past which no government could be better than the government currently in place. However, like I said, the Somalis are governed right now, albeit not by a central government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure you can say that Somalia doesn&#8217;t have any government, just because there is no UN-sanctioned central government. As you mentioned, Somalia is currently run by regional Warlords, and those warlords definitely use coercion to get what they want (Austrian Economists tend to attribute all government action to coercion). The difference is that the &#8220;Central Government&#8221; of Somalia  was imposed upon the country by outside forces to rule a heterogeneous region that was artificially created by those same outside forces (this is the problem in much of Africa and some parts of the Middle East), and the warlords, as corrupt and coercive as they may be, were placed more endogenously and organically and were more suited to govern their own little homogeneous regions.</p>
<p>This seems to be a case of wrong government vs. right government, rather than government vs no government.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I think that the implication of the Austrians make with their research, that this proves that no government is better than government, is fallacious. While I do tend to believe that some government is better than no government, there can be such a line of ineffectiveness and corruption past which no government could be better than the government currently in place. However, like I said, the Somalis are governed right now, albeit not by a central government.</p>
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		<title>By: joshmccabe</title>
		<link>http://thesociologicalimagination.com/2009/11/01/somalia-libertarian-paradise/#comment-593</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If anyone is interested, the ASSC papers are now up on the website.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone is interested, the ASSC papers are now up on the website.</p>
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		<title>By: joshmccabe</title>
		<link>http://thesociologicalimagination.com/2009/11/01/somalia-libertarian-paradise/#comment-579</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joshmccabe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lina: I believe that mostly use UN indicators and other NGOs. As you can guess, good statistics are hard to come by on Somalia. 

In Ben&#039;s paper, there is Death Rate (per 1000), Infant Mortality (per 1000), Life Expectancy, Child Malnutrition (% of children underweight), Telephone-Main Lines per 1,000 people, Mobile Cellular Phones per 1,000 people, Internet Users Per 1,000 People, Households with TV (% households), Immunization - DPT (% children 12-23 months), Immunization - measles (% children 12-23 months), Improved sanitation facilities (% of pop with access), Improved water source (% of pop with access), Tuberculosis (per 100,000 people). 

In Pete&#039;s paper, there is GDP (PPP constant $), Life expectancy (years), One year olds fully immunized against measles (%), One year olds fully immunized against TB (%), Physicians (per 100,000), Infants with low birth weight (%), Infant mortality rate (per 1,000), Maternal mortality rate per (100,000), Pop. with access to water (%), Pop. with access to sanitation (%), Pop.with access to at least one health facility (%), Extreme poverty (% &lt; $1 per day), Radios (per 1,000), Telephones (per 1,000), TVs (per 1,000), Fatality due to measles, Adult literacy rate (%), Combined school enrollment (%)

Nicolas: It was good to meet you too. Hopefully, I can meet up with all the Suffolk econ people in December. You can watch me teach Ben how to drink;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lina: I believe that mostly use UN indicators and other NGOs. As you can guess, good statistics are hard to come by on Somalia. </p>
<p>In Ben&#8217;s paper, there is Death Rate (per 1000), Infant Mortality (per 1000), Life Expectancy, Child Malnutrition (% of children underweight), Telephone-Main Lines per 1,000 people, Mobile Cellular Phones per 1,000 people, Internet Users Per 1,000 People, Households with TV (% households), Immunization &#8211; DPT (% children 12-23 months), Immunization &#8211; measles (% children 12-23 months), Improved sanitation facilities (% of pop with access), Improved water source (% of pop with access), Tuberculosis (per 100,000 people). </p>
<p>In Pete&#8217;s paper, there is GDP (PPP constant $), Life expectancy (years), One year olds fully immunized against measles (%), One year olds fully immunized against TB (%), Physicians (per 100,000), Infants with low birth weight (%), Infant mortality rate (per 1,000), Maternal mortality rate per (100,000), Pop. with access to water (%), Pop. with access to sanitation (%), Pop.with access to at least one health facility (%), Extreme poverty (% &lt; $1 per day), Radios (per 1,000), Telephones (per 1,000), TVs (per 1,000), Fatality due to measles, Adult literacy rate (%), Combined school enrollment (%)</p>
<p>Nicolas: It was good to meet you too. Hopefully, I can meet up with all the Suffolk econ people in December. You can watch me teach Ben how to drink;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolas Cachanosky</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicolas Cachanosky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Josh.
Very happy to meet you. Hope we&#039;ll see again soon.

Bests, 
NC]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Josh.<br />
Very happy to meet you. Hope we&#8217;ll see again soon.</p>
<p>Bests,<br />
NC</p>
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		<title>By: Lina</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 05:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You talked about improvements in Somalia as shown by social and economic indicators? What are these and how do they assure improvement?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You talked about improvements in Somalia as shown by social and economic indicators? What are these and how do they assure improvement?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wiebe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Wiebe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just going to ask which papers won. Thanks!

&quot;Why do people rob banks? Because that’s where the money is (duh). Why do warlords fight for control of the state? Because that’s where the money is!&quot;

That&#039;s a great way to explain the resource curse effect of aid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just going to ask which papers won. Thanks!</p>
<p>&#8220;Why do people rob banks? Because that’s where the money is (duh). Why do warlords fight for control of the state? Because that’s where the money is!&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a great way to explain the resource curse effect of aid.</p>
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		<title>By: joshmccabe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joshmccabe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff Herbener told me that all the papers should be up over the next week or so. FYI my paper is still a very rough draft. I didn&#039;t even get a chance to touch it since this summer. That said, I welcome feedback.

And I should mention my congratulations to Nicolas Cachanosky, Per Bylund, and Will Luther who took home the top prizes this year. An anti-Coase wave swept the ASSC this year. The sociology wave, eh, not so much!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Herbener told me that all the papers should be up over the next week or so. FYI my paper is still a very rough draft. I didn&#8217;t even get a chance to touch it since this summer. That said, I welcome feedback.</p>
<p>And I should mention my congratulations to Nicolas Cachanosky, Per Bylund, and Will Luther who took home the top prizes this year. An anti-Coase wave swept the ASSC this year. The sociology wave, eh, not so much!</p>
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		<title>By: GilesS</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GilesS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Josh, I don&#039;t suppose your paper will be online anytime soon?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, I don&#8217;t suppose your paper will be online anytime soon?</p>
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